[Dprglist] uber death

[David Anderson]

I wonder who is legally liable for such accidents?   The company?   The 
passengers?   It would be clear in a courtroom if it had been a normal 
human driver, who could then defend himself as Dan outlined below.   But 
who would be on trial in this case?

-dpa


On 03/20/2018 01:16 PM, Dan Miner wrote:
>
> From this article: 
> http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/
>
> "Chief of Police Sylvia Moir told the San Francisco /Chronicle/ 
> <https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Exclusive-Tempe-police-chief-says-early-probe-12765481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social> 
> on Monday that video footage taken from cameras equipped to the 
> autonomous Volvo SUV potentially shift the blame to the victim 
> herself, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, rather than the vehicle.
>
> "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision 
> in any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came 
> from the shadows right into the roadway," Moir told the paper, adding 
> that the incident occurred roughly 100 yards from a crosswalk. "It is 
> dangerous to cross roadways in the evening hour when well-illuminated 
> managed crosswalks are available," she said."
>
> So "blaming the victim" but it seems like this person probably would 
> have been killed even without the autonomous driving aspect.
>
> -Dan Miner
>
> *From:*DPRGlist [mailto:dprglist-bounces at lists.dprg.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Ezra Christensen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:36 AM
> *To:* dprglist
> *Subject:* Re: [Dprglist] uber death
>
> I'll wait to see the details before drawing conclusions. It happened 
> at 10pm in clear, dry conditions and there was no speed adjustment by 
> the car and no operator disengagement? Some part of the story is missing.
>
> It's unrealistic to assume autonomous cars will have zero fatalities. 
> The goal has always been to be significantly safer than human operators.
>
> ------ Original Message ------
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> From: "Steve Edwards" <steve.edwards214 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:steve.edwards214 at gmail.com>>
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> To: davida at smu.edu <mailto:davida at smu.edu>; "dprglist" 
> <dprglist at dprg.org <mailto:dprglist at dprg.org>>
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> Sent: 3/19/2018 6:22:23 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Dprglist] uber death
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>     Yea with an operator in the car no less.
>
>     Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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>     -------- Original message --------
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>     From: David Anderson <davida at smu.edu <mailto:davida at smu.edu>>
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>     Date: 3/19/18 1:28 PM (GMT-06:00)
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>     To: dprglist <dprglist at dprg.org <mailto:dprglist at dprg.org>>
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>     Subject: [Dprglist] uber death
>
>     "Oh brave new world where such things are possible!"
>
>
>     <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html>
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>
>     -D
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