[Dprglist] uber death

[Steve Edwards]

Yeah this is new territory in litigation.  Likely the car company or the AI
tech company(if different).  But they will find a way to mitigate their
liability  risk through 3rd party insurance.

Re: "based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway".  It's
interesting they play this to a humans perspective that it's hard to see
something jumping out of the shadows.  AFAIK Lider and other advance
sensors should work well in dark conditions.   Direct sunlight would
probably be a bigger hindrance to the AI.


On Mar 20, 2018 6:08 PM, "David Anderson" <davida at smu.edu> wrote:

I wonder who is legally liable for such accidents?   The company?   The
passengers?   It would be clear in a courtroom if it had been a normal
human driver, who could then defend himself as Dan outlined below.   But
who would be on trial in this case?

-dpa



On 03/20/2018 01:16 PM, Dan Miner wrote:

>From this article:  http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/
uber-self-driving-car-crash/



“Chief of Police Sylvia Moir told the San Francisco *Chronicle*
<https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Exclusive-Tempe-police-chief-says-early-probe-12765481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social>
on Monday that video footage taken from cameras equipped to the autonomous
Volvo SUV potentially shift the blame to the victim herself, 49-year-old
Elaine Herzberg, rather than the vehicle.

“It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in
any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came from
the shadows right into the roadway,” Moir told the paper, adding that the
incident occurred roughly 100 yards from a crosswalk. “It is dangerous to
cross roadways in the evening hour when well-illuminated managed crosswalks
are available,” she said.”



So “blaming the victim” but it seems like this person probably would have
been killed even without the autonomous driving aspect.

-          Dan Miner



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I'll wait to see the details before drawing conclusions. It happened at
10pm in clear, dry conditions and there was no speed adjustment by the car
and no operator disengagement? Some part of the story is missing.



It's unrealistic to assume autonomous cars will have zero fatalities. The
goal has always been to be significantly safer than human operators.





------ Original Message ------

From: "Steve Edwards" <steve.edwards214 at gmail.com>

To: davida at smu.edu; "dprglist" <dprglist at dprg.org>

Sent: 3/19/2018 6:22:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Dprglist] uber death



Yea with an operator in the car no less.







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-------- Original message --------

From: David Anderson <davida at smu.edu>

Date: 3/19/18 1:28 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: dprglist <dprglist at dprg.org>

Subject: [Dprglist] uber death



"Oh brave new world where such things are possible!"


<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html
>


-D


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