[Dprglist] uber death

[Dan Miner]

>From this article: 
http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/



“Chief of Police Sylvia Moir told the San Francisco 
<https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Exclusive-Tempe-police-chief-says-early-probe-12765481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social> 
Chronicle on Monday that video footage taken from cameras equipped to the 
autonomous Volvo SUV potentially shift the blame to the victim herself, 
49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, rather than the vehicle.

“It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any 
kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came from the 
shadows right into the roadway,” Moir told the paper, adding that the 
incident occurred roughly 100 yards from a crosswalk. “It is dangerous to 
cross roadways in the evening hour when well-illuminated managed crosswalks 
are available,” she said.”



So “blaming the victim” but it seems like this person probably would have 
been killed even without the autonomous driving aspect.

-          Dan Miner



From: DPRGlist [mailto:dprglist-bounces at lists.dprg.org] On Behalf Of Ezra 
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:36 AM
To: dprglist
Subject: Re: [Dprglist] uber death



I'll wait to see the details before drawing conclusions. It happened at 10pm 
in clear, dry conditions and there was no speed adjustment by the car and no 
operator disengagement? Some part of the story is missing.



It's unrealistic to assume autonomous cars will have zero fatalities. The 
goal has always been to be significantly safer than human operators.





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Sent: 3/19/2018 6:22:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Dprglist] uber death



Yea with an operator in the car no less.







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-------- Original message --------

From: David Anderson <davida at smu.edu>

Date: 3/19/18 1:28 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: dprglist <dprglist at dprg.org>

Subject: [Dprglist] uber death



"Oh brave new world where such things are possible!"


<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html>


-D


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