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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I wonder who is legally liable for such
accidents? The company? The passengers? It would be clear in
a courtroom if it had been a normal human driver, who could then
defend himself as Dan outlined below. But who would be on trial
in this case?<br>
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-dpa<br>
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On 03/20/2018 01:16 PM, Dan Miner wrote:<br>
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this article: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/">http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
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of Police Sylvia Moir <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">told the San Francisco <em>Chronicle</em></a>
on Monday that video footage taken from cameras equipped to
the autonomous Volvo SUV potentially shift the blame to the
victim herself, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, rather than the
vehicle.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>“It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this
collision in any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven]
based on how she came from the shadows right into the
roadway,” Moir told the paper, adding that the incident
occurred roughly 100 yards from a crosswalk. “It is dangerous
to cross roadways in the evening hour when well-illuminated
managed crosswalks are available,” she said.<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
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<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
“blaming the victim” but it seems like this person probably
would have been killed even without the autonomous driving
aspect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dan
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DPRGlist [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dprglist-bounces@lists.dprg.org">mailto:dprglist-bounces@lists.dprg.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ezra Christensen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> dprglist<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dprglist] uber death<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I'll
wait to see the details before drawing conclusions. It
happened at 10pm in clear, dry conditions and there was
no speed adjustment by the car and no operator
disengagement? Some part of the story is missing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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unrealistic to assume autonomous cars will have zero
fatalities. The goal has always been to be significantly
safer than human operators.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Steve Edwards" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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"dprglist" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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3/19/2018 6:22:23 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Re: [Dprglist] uber death<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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with an operator in the car no less. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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3/19/18 1:28 PM (GMT-06:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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[Dprglist] uber death <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"Oh
brave new world where such things are possible!"<br>
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html</a>><br>
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-D<br>
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