[Dprglist] Pioneer 3 AT Robotics Platform

Karim Virani pondersome64 at gmail.com
Sat Feb 5 19:06:13 PST 2022 

Sounds good Scott. I can do Saturday or Sunday next weekend.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:15 AM Scott Gibson <scottg183 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Karim
>
> My 500$ bid stands but I’m out of town until late next week. I’ll need to
> get with you next Friday or next weekend.
>
> Regards
>
> Scott
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:45 AM, Karim Virani via DPRGlist <
> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>
> 
>
>    - This was "Cheap Robotics Platform", but I've renamed it since they
>    didn't turn out so cheap.
>    - The robots finally arrived early today/yesterday, but I haven't had
>    a chance to do anything but the most cursory look over.  Scroll down to see
>    a picture of the 6-pack.
>    - These have a very sturdy/rigid chassis - high quality build
>    - Despite that, there is some obvious damage to a couple of them,
>    typically concentrated on the delicate sonar arrays. There might be some
>    locked-up gearheads too.
>    - There are varying degrees of customization. For example, one has an
>    emergency shutoff switch added. Another has some external framework
>    attached to it. These modifications seem relatively minor.
>    - One of them has thinner solid rubber wheels more suitable for indoor
>    usage.
>    - Since the roads will be icy for the next few days, we are probably
>    looking at Sunday for earliest access.
>    - In terms of choice, I'm taking my pick of the litter and then choice
>    will be ordered by who paid the most and within each $100 tier who paid
>    earliest. But I may have to skip over some folks choice wise if you are not
>    available to review in the established order.
>    - If I haven't committed to offering somebody an "early bird" price,
>    then consider the minimum price to be $500. Feel free to offer more to
>    secure an earlier pick.
>    - I haven't even had a chance to go back and look at those prior
>    commitments. I'm pretty sure I received money for 2 robots already and I'll
>    review that before Saturday. If you sent money already but are not happy
>    with the picking-order described, I'm good with refunding and letting
>    somebody else step in. There are others who have made firm offers at the
>    $500 level but I've held off taking payment pending the shipping
>    uncertainties. Again, it will go in order of who offered the most first and
>    I'll go over the whole email history of this conversation including the
>    private messages to establish that order.
>    - If they don't all get snapped up by DPRG'rs, don't worry, I'm sure
>    I'll find other takers.
>    - We could do a group review of the robots Sunday afternoon or we
>    could set up individual appointments. I'm open to suggestions. Look up Iron
>    Reign Robotics on google maps to see where we are if you want to see them
>    in-person. Masking required.
>
> <pioneer3at6pack.jpg>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:13 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> More delays. The robots left Las Vegas a week ago and just made it to the
>> primary shipping hub in Ohio at 3am last night. Because the efficient way
>> to get from there to here during a shipping crisis is to double the
>> distance and update nobody on a new arrival date. It's gonna be another
>> week prolly.
>>
>> -Karim
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:38 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The grinch has become involved in this group-buy "experiment."
>>>
>>> Without all the gory details, shipping has jumped in price and there was
>>> a problem with a refused release of the shipment combined with a holiday
>>> shutdown. The long and the short is that we can't think of this as a
>>> stocking stuffer. Shipping costs have jumped twice to $615 and at the same
>>> time the robots are stuck at the originating warehouse until they reopen on
>>> January 13th. And then it'll take 5 days to ship. Best case.
>>>
>>> So there will be a lengthy delay. At the same time I received many
>>> inquiries off-list regarding the availability of these robots. So this is
>>> my shared response. Of the 3 who were early-in, Chris has released his
>>> claim given additional shipping needed in his case. If either Ezra or David
>>> want to release their "reservation", let me know and I'll return your
>>> money.
>>>
>>> Depending on what they decide, I'll have a better sense of how many will
>>> be available. I haven't quite yet decided if I want 2 of them. I wish I had
>>> more of them to make available.
>>>
>>> Because of the uncertain shipping situation, I plan to wait until I hear
>>> the shipment is underway. Then I'll get back to those of you who have
>>> expressed interest to let you know the cost I'll have to charge. Again, my
>>> goal is simply to not have to charge myself more than others. Then it will
>>> be first come first serve. If nothing else changes we're probably looking
>>> just north of $400 per robot, before possible further shipping from Dallas.
>>> If that's too much, let me know and I'll take you off the interest list.
>>>
>>> This is a sight-unseen purchase. None of us know whether any of the
>>> electronics on board are usable - but they're most likely obsolete. The
>>> robots could vary in condition. It's not expected that a cursory visual
>>> inspection will reveal much about the state of each robot. To share the
>>> risk, I'll ask opt-in folks to commit and pay while the robots are in
>>> transit. If a participant wants to kick in some extra, priority of pick
>>> (after I get pick of the litter) will go in order of the share bourne. If
>>> there are any robots un-optioned, I'll try to sell them on ebay for some
>>> kind of profit.
>>>
>>> There is an interesting hackaday project about resurrecting a sister
>>> model of this robot:
>>> https://hackaday.io/project/175890-fixing-up-an-old-pioneer-3-dx
>>>
>>> In that page the author found a manual for a more recent edition of the
>>> robot:
>>>
>>> https://data2.manualslib.com/pdf7/144/14374/1437347-omron_adept_mobilerobots/pioneer_3.pdf?133d45e569bf1c7561cbc006f686721d
>>> (note that this manual refers to an on-board computer that would not be
>>> present on this earlier model)
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Karim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 5:00 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, some of y'all are proud owners of used Pioneer 3-AT robots of
>>>> unknown functionality and completeness. I paid a fair bit more than
>>>> planned, but I'll honor the $200 each from David, Ezra and Chris. Though
>>>> that's a pickup-in-Dallas price. There really isn't an option to separately
>>>> ship from Nevada. So if you're far from Dallas you'll have to arrange
>>>> further shipping of the individual robot. If you don't want that, then I'll
>>>> look for other buyers at a higher price.
>>>>
>>>> Lemme know,
>>>>
>>>> Karim
>>>> ps. will update when I find out the arrival time.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:00 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well the prebids are already over $900
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:56 AM Christian M Netter <
>>>>> netterchris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Count me in at $200
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Karim Virani via DPRGlist <
>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I believe Ezra's message was meant for the group. See below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would have been happy to lead a group buy, but we spoke about it
>>>>>> last night and there wasn't a consensus that we should proceed. We never
>>>>>> really got to the question of what the limit would be. We did confirm that
>>>>>> it would be at least $700. Then someone found a listing on ebay of someone
>>>>>> in South Korea trying to sell a similar model for $2,800. People might be
>>>>>> speculating that indicates its worth? If so they will be disappointed. That
>>>>>> one's been for sale for over a year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284085010523?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, I don't want to get into parting them out or reselling them
>>>>>> to recover the value.  To me they are worth a couple hundred bucks a piece
>>>>>> including shipping, but I don't need 6 of them. If 5 others agreed on $200
>>>>>> that would put the max bid at around $900. That would have to happen very
>>>>>> fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:20 AM Ezra Christensen <ezracc at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better act quickly if we're going to do it. It closes this afternoon.
>>>>>>> Factoring in split shipping costs of ~$60, how much are they worth
>>>>>>> to people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:48 PM Karim Virani via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well that depends on what it is worth to us.  Freight would be
>>>>>>>> about $300 and I know for sure the prebids are above $300
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 3:50 PM David P. Anderson via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Me too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dpa
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 3:00 PM, Thalanayar Muthukumar via DPRGlist wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can also buy one for a split price, if someone wins and wants to
>>>>>>>>> sell one of them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>> - Kumar
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:57 PM Ezra Christensen via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the lot is for all 6 of them.
>>>>>>>>>> It's an auction site though - the starting bid is $25, increases
>>>>>>>>>> in $5 increments, while you can pre-bid it looks like the auction will open
>>>>>>>>>> and close in 3 minutes. Your initial bid is likely your only bid. They do
>>>>>>>>>> have an ebay style system where the winner pays the minimum amount needed
>>>>>>>>>> to beat the other bids. It doesn't go to their max unless needed. I
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be surprised if it hit $300 very quickly before shipping. Still
>>>>>>>>>> not bad even if you parted them out and gutted the boards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If someone does end up winning and doesn't need all 6, I'll buy
>>>>>>>>>> one for a split price (assuming it's reasonable).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:45 PM Karim Virani via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They were very expensive back then. Is the lot all 6 at once?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:34 PM David P. Anderson via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember these platforms.  Pretty cool in the day, mostly
>>>>>>>>>>>> sold to university robotics programs, as I remember.   Very cool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 10:31 AM, Pat Caron via DPRGlist wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * [EXTERNAL SENDER]*
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found this posted on the PARTS list.  (Portland Robotics)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Might be of interest to some.  It would be too expensive to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ship to Canada.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...Pat C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This popped up on my work's Slack. 6 for (currently) $25 seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> a steal. Though my coworkers don't seem to have a high opinion of these
>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms, FWIW. Also, you'd have shipping :p
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, thought someone would enjoy looking at it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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