[Dprglist] Pioneer 3 AT Robotics Platform

Scott Gibson scottg183 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 3 06:15:05 PST 2022 

Karim

My 500$ bid stands but I’m out of town until late next week. I’ll need to get with you next Friday or next weekend. 

Regards

Scott

On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:45 AM, Karim Virani via DPRGlist <dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:


This was "Cheap Robotics Platform", but I've renamed it since they didn't turn out so cheap.
The robots finally arrived early today/yesterday, but I haven't had a chance to do anything but the most cursory look over.  Scroll down to see a picture of the 6-pack.
These have a very sturdy/rigid chassis - high quality build
Despite that, there is some obvious damage to a couple of them, typically concentrated on the delicate sonar arrays. There might be some locked-up gearheads too.
There are varying degrees of customization. For example, one has an emergency shutoff switch added. Another has some external framework attached to it. These modifications seem relatively minor.
One of them has thinner solid rubber wheels more suitable for indoor usage.
Since the roads will be icy for the next few days, we are probably looking at Sunday for earliest access.
In terms of choice, I'm taking my pick of the litter and then choice will be ordered by who paid the most and within each $100 tier who paid earliest. But I may have to skip over some folks choice wise if you are not available to review in the established order.
If I haven't committed to offering somebody an "early bird" price, then consider the minimum price to be $500. Feel free to offer more to secure an earlier pick. 
I haven't even had a chance to go back and look at those prior commitments. I'm pretty sure I received money for 2 robots already and I'll review that before Saturday. If you sent money already but are not happy with the picking-order described, I'm good with refunding and letting somebody else step in. There are others who have made firm offers at the $500 level but I've held off taking payment pending the shipping uncertainties. Again, it will go in order of who offered the most first and I'll go over the whole email history of this conversation including the private messages to establish that order.
If they don't all get snapped up by DPRG'rs, don't worry, I'm sure I'll find other takers. 
We could do a group review of the robots Sunday afternoon or we could set up individual appointments. I'm open to suggestions. Look up Iron Reign Robotics on google maps to see where we are if you want to see them in-person. Masking required.
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 3:13 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com> wrote:
> More delays. The robots left Las Vegas a week ago and just made it to the primary shipping hub in Ohio at 3am last night. Because the efficient way to get from there to here during a shipping crisis is to double the distance and update nobody on a new arrival date. It's gonna be another week prolly.
> 
> -Karim
> 
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:38 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The grinch has become involved in this group-buy "experiment."
>> 
>> Without all the gory details, shipping has jumped in price and there was a problem with a refused release of the shipment combined with a holiday shutdown. The long and the short is that we can't think of this as a stocking stuffer. Shipping costs have jumped twice to $615 and at the same time the robots are stuck at the originating warehouse until they reopen on January 13th. And then it'll take 5 days to ship. Best case.
>> 
>> So there will be a lengthy delay. At the same time I received many inquiries off-list regarding the availability of these robots. So this is my shared response. Of the 3 who were early-in, Chris has released his claim given additional shipping needed in his case. If either Ezra or David want to release their "reservation", let me know and I'll return your money. 
>> 
>> Depending on what they decide, I'll have a better sense of how many will be available. I haven't quite yet decided if I want 2 of them. I wish I had more of them to make available.
>> 
>> Because of the uncertain shipping situation, I plan to wait until I hear the shipment is underway. Then I'll get back to those of you who have expressed interest to let you know the cost I'll have to charge. Again, my goal is simply to not have to charge myself more than others. Then it will be first come first serve. If nothing else changes we're probably looking just north of $400 per robot, before possible further shipping from Dallas. If that's too much, let me know and I'll take you off the interest list.
>> 
>> This is a sight-unseen purchase. None of us know whether any of the electronics on board are usable - but they're most likely obsolete. The robots could vary in condition. It's not expected that a cursory visual inspection will reveal much about the state of each robot. To share the risk, I'll ask opt-in folks to commit and pay while the robots are in transit. If a participant wants to kick in some extra, priority of pick (after I get pick of the litter) will go in order of the share bourne. If there are any robots un-optioned, I'll try to sell them on ebay for some kind of profit. 
>> 
>> There is an interesting hackaday project about resurrecting a sister model of this robot:
>> https://hackaday.io/project/175890-fixing-up-an-old-pioneer-3-dx
>> 
>> In that page the author found a manual for a more recent edition of the robot:
>> https://data2.manualslib.com/pdf7/144/14374/1437347-omron_adept_mobilerobots/pioneer_3.pdf?133d45e569bf1c7561cbc006f686721d
>> (note that this manual refers to an on-board computer that would not be present on this earlier model)
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Karim
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 5:00 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, some of y'all are proud owners of used Pioneer 3-AT robots of unknown functionality and completeness. I paid a fair bit more than planned, but I'll honor the $200 each from David, Ezra and Chris. Though that's a pickup-in-Dallas price. There really isn't an option to separately ship from Nevada. So if you're far from Dallas you'll have to arrange further shipping of the individual robot. If you don't want that, then I'll look for other buyers at a higher price. 
>>> 
>>> Lemme know,
>>> 
>>> Karim
>>> ps. will update when I find out the arrival time.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:00 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well the prebids are already over $900
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:56 AM Christian M Netter <netterchris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Count me in at $200
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Karim Virani via DPRGlist <dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I believe Ezra's message was meant for the group. See below.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would have been happy to lead a group buy, but we spoke about it last night and there wasn't a consensus that we should proceed. We never really got to the question of what the limit would be. We did confirm that it would be at least $700. Then someone found a listing on ebay of someone in South Korea trying to sell a similar model for $2,800. People might be speculating that indicates its worth? If so they will be disappointed. That one's been for sale for over a year.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284085010523?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyhow, I don't want to get into parting them out or reselling them to recover the value.  To me they are worth a couple hundred bucks a piece including shipping, but I don't need 6 of them. If 5 others agreed on $200 that would put the max bid at around $900. That would have to happen very fast.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Karim
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:20 AM Ezra Christensen <ezracc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Better act quickly if we're going to do it. It closes this afternoon.
>>>>>> Factoring in split shipping costs of ~$60, how much are they worth to people? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:48 PM Karim Virani via DPRGlist <dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well that depends on what it is worth to us.  Freight would be about $300 and I know for sure the prebids are above $300
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 3:50 PM David P. Anderson via DPRGlist <dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Me too.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> dpa
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 3:00 PM, Thalanayar Muthukumar via DPRGlist wrote
>>>>>>>>> I can also buy one for a split price, if someone wins and wants to sell one of them.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>> - Kumar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:57 PM Ezra Christensen via DPRGlist <dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the lot is for all 6 of them. 
>>>>>>>>>> It's an auction site though - the starting bid is $25, increases in $5 increments, while you can pre-bid it looks like the auction will open and close in 3 minutes. Your initial bid is likely your only bid. They do have an ebay style system where the winner pays the minimum amount needed to beat the other bids. It doesn't go to their max unless needed. I wouldn't be surprised if it hit $300 very quickly before shipping. Still not bad even if you parted them out and gutted the boards. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If someone does end up winning and doesn't need all 6, I'll buy one for a split price (assuming it's reasonable).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:45 PM Karim Virani via DPRGlist <dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> They were very expensive back then. Is the lot all 6 at once?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:34 PM David P. Anderson via DPRGlist <dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember these platforms.  Pretty cool in the day, mostly sold to university robotics programs, as I remember.   Very cool.   
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 10:31 AM, Pat Caron via DPRGlist wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EXTERNAL SENDER]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found this posted on the PARTS list.  (Portland Robotics)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Might be of interest to some.  It would be too expensive to ship to Canada.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...Pat C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This popped up on my work's Slack. 6 for (currently) $25 seems a steal. Though my coworkers don't seem to have a high opinion of these platforms, FWIW. Also, you'd have shipping :p
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, thought someone would enjoy looking at it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.govplanet.com/for-sale/Utility-Vehicles-%286%29-ActiveMedia-Robotics-P3-AT-Skid-Steer-Robots-Nevada/5728202?h=5000%2Csm%7C0%2Cpstart%7C120%2Cmf%7C1
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