<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Autonomous, large robotic vehicles actually </span><i style="font-family:sans-serif"><b>should</b></i><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> be designed to be safer than human driven ones. That is one of the largely touted selling points for these vehicles. So, shadows and light that affect mere human drivers should </span><i style="font-family:sans-serif">not</i><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> be an impairment for any large or any otherwise potentially lethal autonomous robot. After all, even the simple ultrasonic sensors can detect obstacles in the dark. One would think any large autonomous vehicle out on the roads would be equipped with an over abundance of redundant types of high end obstacle sensors to make sure it is MUCH safer than a human driving it. The same goes for road condition sensing, construction zone issues, accident site and emergency vehicle recognition...and on and on. </span><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><br></font><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Obviously there will inevitably be those cases where a child runs directly into the path of a vehicle or an adult is mentally impaired to the point of practically throwing themselves directly in front of it so that the braking or avoidance steering is not able to overcome the momentum. But the true goal of even creating these vehicles should be to make it respond <i><b>better</b></i> than a human driver in all conditions.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">My personal slant is that if we humans are determined to replace ourselves with non-humans then we need to make sure they are truly better than us. (Of course, either way we basically classify ourselves as expendable life forms...get run over sometimes..."oh well"...or have machines so much better than us that we are simply downgraded.)</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Aren't I just a little ray of sunshine here? :-)</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">~MJ</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 1:17 PM Dan Miner <<a href="mailto:miner@zmail0.centtech.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">miner@zmail0.centtech.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-5906251590354569453m_-7696885180025385945WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">From this article: <a href="http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://fortune.com/2018/03/19/uber-self-driving-car-crash/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">“</span>Chief of Police Sylvia Moir <a href="https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Exclusive-Tempe-police-chief-says-early-probe-12765481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">told the San Francisco <em>Chronicle</em></a> on Monday that video footage taken from cameras equipped to the autonomous Volvo SUV potentially shift the blame to the victim herself, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, rather than the vehicle.<u></u><u></u></p><p>“It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway,” Moir told the paper, adding that the incident occurred roughly 100 yards from a crosswalk. “It is dangerous to cross roadways in the evening hour when well-illuminated managed crosswalks are available,” she said.<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">”<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So “blaming the victim” but it seems like this person probably would have been killed even without the autonomous driving aspect.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-left:2.25in"><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dan Miner</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> DPRGlist [mailto:<a href="mailto:dprglist-bounces@lists.dprg.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dprglist-bounces@lists.dprg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ezra Christensen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> dprglist<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dprglist] uber death<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I'll wait to see the details before drawing conclusions. It happened at 10pm in clear, dry conditions and there was no speed adjustment by the car and no operator disengagement? Some part of the story is missing.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">It's unrealistic to assume autonomous cars will have zero fatalities. The goal has always been to be significantly safer than human operators.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">------ Original Message ------<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From: "Steve Edwards" <<a href="mailto:steve.edwards214@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">steve.edwards214@gmail.com</a>><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To: <a href="mailto:davida@smu.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">davida@smu.edu</a>; "dprglist" <<a href="mailto:dprglist@dprg.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dprglist@dprg.org</a>><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent: 3/19/2018 6:22:23 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [Dprglist] uber death<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_-5906251590354569453m_-7696885180025385945x955545fc4fb542d"><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:2.25pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Yea with an operator in the car no less. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_-5906251590354569453m_-7696885180025385945composer_signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#575757">Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">-------- Original message --------<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From: David Anderson <<a href="mailto:davida@smu.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">davida@smu.edu</a>> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Date: 3/19/18 1:28 PM (GMT-06:00) <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To: dprglist <<a href="mailto:dprglist@dprg.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dprglist@dprg.org</a>> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject: [Dprglist] uber death <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"Oh brave new world where such things are possible!"<br><br><br><<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html</a>><br><br><br>-D<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>DPRGlist mailing list<br><a href="mailto:DPRGlist@lists.dprg.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">DPRGlist@lists.dprg.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.dprg.org/listinfo.cgi/dprglist-dprg.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.dprg.org/listinfo.cgi/dprglist-dprg.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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