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<p>The legal landscape will be defined by the laws and regulations,
overall. In the meantime we will see litigation defining the
parameters. That's where it will be a challenge. But we'll also
see expert witness making the points I just made and IMO
prevailing. Tesla and other auto makers will have their legal
teams crafting all the protections against litigation into the
contracts. <br>
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<p>I saw a mention of one auto company requiring hands on the wheel
with some response needed to a wheel wiggle or something. If the
car didn't get a response it shut down, presumably safely. I
started blasting a loud noise inside the car, honk the horn, and
flash every light on the vehicle with an announcement "Possible
medical emergency. Unresponsive driver. Calling 911 for
assistance."</p>
<p>I was revising my rovers early this summer and digging into ROS.
Then I heard about the NASA Space Robotics Challenge that started
in the fall. Been working on qualifying for it and that wrapped up
last Saturday. Supposedly they will judge the simulation files
submitted by the 31st. Twenty teams get $15,000 and can compete in
the main competition. I've seen results from some other teams and
kind of feel I'll either squeak in or just miss getting in. <br>
</p>
<p>The challenge is a simulation of the Johnson Space Center's R5 /
Valkyrie robot that is 6' 3" and weighs 300 lbs. The main
competition is fixing damage from a 'storm' on Mars like "The
Martian" movie. Prizes are in the $100,000 range but also at
_least_ two weeks with the actual robot. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/27/2017 08:01 PM, David Anderson
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Rud,<br>
<br>
Not to belabor the point, but I think perhaps the point was
missed. You are talking about technology. Not the legal
landscape. I find it somewhat amazing that furturists such as
yourself, as roboticists tend to be, don't see what's coming
down the road. (pun intended)<br>
<br>
How is the Lunar Sample Retriever robot going? Are you still
designing for those scenarios? (ok, worse pun).<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
dpa<br>
<br>
<br>
On 01/25/2017 01:29 PM, Rud Merriam wrote:<br>
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<p>Any driving system, even a human, is going to be incomplete.
People fall asleep, which causes accidents. <br>
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<p>Your statements imply that the robot system has to be perfect
before deployment and use. Or even nearly perfect. If that's
true you'll never get automatic driving on the road. <br>
</p>
<p>The other point missing is the trade offs. This report or
others said that Tesla's have a much lower, like 50%, accident
rate than other vehicles because of the auto driving
capability. The trade off is death from this scenario versus
deaths from other scenarios that the vehicle avoided. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/25/2017 10:21 AM, David
Anderson wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dave Ackley sends along the following
link.<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/safety/feds-call-teslas-autopilot-safe/?utm_source=TandM&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=TM01242017">http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/safety/feds-call-teslas-autopilot-safe/?utm_source=TandM&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=TM0124201</a><br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<o:p> </o:p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The key line, at least for me, is:<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">"It concluded the automatic emergency
braking system (AEB) was not to blame because it hadn’t been
designed for such a scenario."<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So, that's how they're going to weasel
out of it. <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Take hope! Your robot's failure at the
contest was not a failure at all. It was simply not
"designed for such a scenario" and therefore was actually a
success! <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And that baby carriage the car ran over?
Not a problem. Not designed for that scenario. The fault
is the driver's, for putting the car in that position. Or
perhaps for not purchasing the "baby carriage avoidance
package." <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, all those millions of edge cases
we were worried about turn out not to be a problem! Or at
least not Tesla's problem...<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">onward,<br>
dpa<br>
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