[Dprglist] Fwd: [parts] Cheap robotics platform

Karim Virani pondersome64 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 25 13:13:25 PST 2022 

More delays. The robots left Las Vegas a week ago and just made it to the
primary shipping hub in Ohio at 3am last night. Because the efficient way
to get from there to here during a shipping crisis is to double the
distance and update nobody on a new arrival date. It's gonna be another
week prolly.

-Karim

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:38 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The grinch has become involved in this group-buy "experiment."
>
> Without all the gory details, shipping has jumped in price and there was a
> problem with a refused release of the shipment combined with a holiday
> shutdown. The long and the short is that we can't think of this as a
> stocking stuffer. Shipping costs have jumped twice to $615 and at the same
> time the robots are stuck at the originating warehouse until they reopen on
> January 13th. And then it'll take 5 days to ship. Best case.
>
> So there will be a lengthy delay. At the same time I received many
> inquiries off-list regarding the availability of these robots. So this is
> my shared response. Of the 3 who were early-in, Chris has released his
> claim given additional shipping needed in his case. If either Ezra or David
> want to release their "reservation", let me know and I'll return your
> money.
>
> Depending on what they decide, I'll have a better sense of how many will
> be available. I haven't quite yet decided if I want 2 of them. I wish I had
> more of them to make available.
>
> Because of the uncertain shipping situation, I plan to wait until I hear
> the shipment is underway. Then I'll get back to those of you who have
> expressed interest to let you know the cost I'll have to charge. Again, my
> goal is simply to not have to charge myself more than others. Then it will
> be first come first serve. If nothing else changes we're probably looking
> just north of $400 per robot, before possible further shipping from Dallas.
> If that's too much, let me know and I'll take you off the interest list.
>
> This is a sight-unseen purchase. None of us know whether any of the
> electronics on board are usable - but they're most likely obsolete. The
> robots could vary in condition. It's not expected that a cursory visual
> inspection will reveal much about the state of each robot. To share the
> risk, I'll ask opt-in folks to commit and pay while the robots are in
> transit. If a participant wants to kick in some extra, priority of pick
> (after I get pick of the litter) will go in order of the share bourne. If
> there are any robots un-optioned, I'll try to sell them on ebay for some
> kind of profit.
>
> There is an interesting hackaday project about resurrecting a sister model
> of this robot:
> https://hackaday.io/project/175890-fixing-up-an-old-pioneer-3-dx
>
> In that page the author found a manual for a more recent edition of the
> robot:
>
> https://data2.manualslib.com/pdf7/144/14374/1437347-omron_adept_mobilerobots/pioneer_3.pdf?133d45e569bf1c7561cbc006f686721d
> (note that this manual refers to an on-board computer that would not be
> present on this earlier model)
>
>
> Best,
>
> Karim
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 5:00 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, some of y'all are proud owners of used Pioneer 3-AT robots of
>> unknown functionality and completeness. I paid a fair bit more than
>> planned, but I'll honor the $200 each from David, Ezra and Chris. Though
>> that's a pickup-in-Dallas price. There really isn't an option to separately
>> ship from Nevada. So if you're far from Dallas you'll have to arrange
>> further shipping of the individual robot. If you don't want that, then I'll
>> look for other buyers at a higher price.
>>
>> Lemme know,
>>
>> Karim
>> ps. will update when I find out the arrival time.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:00 PM Karim Virani <pondersome64 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well the prebids are already over $900
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:56 AM Christian M Netter <
>>> netterchris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Count me in at $200
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Karim Virani via DPRGlist <
>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I believe Ezra's message was meant for the group. See below.
>>>>
>>>> I would have been happy to lead a group buy, but we spoke about it last
>>>> night and there wasn't a consensus that we should proceed. We never really
>>>> got to the question of what the limit would be. We did confirm that it
>>>> would be at least $700. Then someone found a listing on ebay of someone in
>>>> South Korea trying to sell a similar model for $2,800. People might be
>>>> speculating that indicates its worth? If so they will be disappointed. That
>>>> one's been for sale for over a year.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284085010523?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, I don't want to get into parting them out or reselling them to
>>>> recover the value.  To me they are worth a couple hundred bucks a piece
>>>> including shipping, but I don't need 6 of them. If 5 others agreed on $200
>>>> that would put the max bid at around $900. That would have to happen very
>>>> fast.
>>>>
>>>> Karim
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 9:20 AM Ezra Christensen <ezracc at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Better act quickly if we're going to do it. It closes this afternoon.
>>>>> Factoring in split shipping costs of ~$60, how much are they worth to
>>>>> people?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 4:48 PM Karim Virani via DPRGlist <
>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well that depends on what it is worth to us.  Freight would be about
>>>>>> $300 and I know for sure the prebids are above $300
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 3:50 PM David P. Anderson via DPRGlist <
>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dpa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 3:00 PM, Thalanayar Muthukumar via DPRGlist wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can also buy one for a split price, if someone wins and wants to
>>>>>>> sell one of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>> - Kumar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:57 PM Ezra Christensen via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, the lot is for all 6 of them.
>>>>>>>> It's an auction site though - the starting bid is $25, increases in
>>>>>>>> $5 increments, while you can pre-bid it looks like the auction will open
>>>>>>>> and close in 3 minutes. Your initial bid is likely your only bid. They do
>>>>>>>> have an ebay style system where the winner pays the minimum amount needed
>>>>>>>> to beat the other bids. It doesn't go to their max unless needed. I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't be surprised if it hit $300 very quickly before shipping. Still
>>>>>>>> not bad even if you parted them out and gutted the boards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone does end up winning and doesn't need all 6, I'll buy one
>>>>>>>> for a split price (assuming it's reasonable).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:45 PM Karim Virani via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were very expensive back then. Is the lot all 6 at once?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:34 PM David P. Anderson via DPRGlist <
>>>>>>>>> dprglist at lists.dprg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I remember these platforms.  Pretty cool in the day, mostly sold
>>>>>>>>>> to university robotics programs, as I remember.   Very cool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/21 10:31 AM, Pat Caron via DPRGlist wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * [EXTERNAL SENDER]*
>>>>>>>>>> I found this posted on the PARTS list.  (Portland Robotics)
>>>>>>>>>> Might be of interest to some.  It would be too expensive to ship
>>>>>>>>>> to Canada.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...Pat C.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This popped up on my work's Slack. 6 for (currently) $25 seems a
>>>>>>>>>> steal. Though my coworkers don't seem to have a high opinion of these
>>>>>>>>>> platforms, FWIW. Also, you'd have shipping :p
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still, thought someone would enjoy looking at it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.govplanet.com/for-sale/Utility-Vehicles-%286%29-ActiveMedia-Robotics-P3-AT-Skid-Steer-Robots-Nevada/5728202?h=5000%2Csm%7C0%2Cpstart%7C120%2Cmf%7C1
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